01/06/2010

FORUM: Que faire avec un doctorat en Lettres ou Sciences Humaines?

Vous vous demandez quel(s) métier(s) embrasser avec un doctorat en Lettres, ou dans d'autres disciplines des Sciences Humaines?
  • Dr Sara Shinton, consultante en Ressources Humaines (Grande-Bretagne) et Dr Ilka Von Braun, cadre RH d'une multinationale (Allemagne) répondent à vos questions, du 7 au 18 juin.
  • Pour la France, des docteurs insérés et des entreprises faisant appel à ces profils viendront témoigner.

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50 commentaires:

Sara a dit…

Hello to all forum readers.

I look forward to responding to your comments over the coming fortnight.

If you have any question specifically aimed at me, please submit them in English!

With best wishes

Sara

Anonyme a dit…

Hello
so where can i find a job with my PhD in literature and arts (except at the university) ? What kind of companies recruit ?
Best
C.

Ilka von Braun a dit…

Bonjour aux participants du forum.

Ich lade alle Interessierten ein, ihre Fragen zu stellen - in deutscher, französischer oder englischer Sprache. Meine Erfahrungen beziehen sich vor allem auf Deutschland und den deutschen Arbeitsmarkt.
Generell lassen sich diese jedoch auf andere Arbeitsmärkte übertragen. Ich werde Besonderheiten gern berücksichtigen.

Ilka von Braun a dit…

My answer to Anonyme:
Generally you can apply for jobs offered by publishing companies (production of books and publications), in publicity and eventually marketing and training coordination as well as in public relations of all kinds of companies. It is important to look closely to the job profile and to consider which of your qualifications meet the requirements.Think of those you have shown by doing your PhD. You might want to aquire some practical experience,e.g. by an internship, before applying for a "career job". Anyhow: Take the courage-there are opportunities. Esp. the anglo-american job markets seem to be open for different kinds of academic backgrounds.

Anonyme a dit…

Je souhaite connaître les plans de carrières et évolution (existe-t-il des statistiques) pour un psychologue en fin de doctorat. Existe-t-il une analyse des emplois occupés (fonction, statut...) et des réorientations ?

Jérémy a dit…

Hi

I am currently finishing my PhD in Economics in France. I know very well how to integrate myself in the academic's (let's call it the public world) world but I know nothing about the "private" world (i.e. firms).
First; can a PhD in economics coming from universities and having an academic profile(although what he learned can be used in various fields and topics)be hired by the private sector i.e. firms?and what are the sectors most insteresting in?
Second; the academic world has different needs and perspective in comparison to the private sector. PhD students coming from universities have this academic profile. How can I build a "package" so as to fit with the private world needs and aspirations.What are the points that I need to insist on and what are points I can pass over?

Thanks in advance

Sincerely

Ilka von Braun a dit…

My answer to Jeremy and to anonyme:
You should be able to get some special advice, e.g. by professional (psychologists) organisations in your country. Generally there is a broad field for professional careers for psychologists (in the private sector: HR, recruiting/career development, consulting, publicity). Explain your PhD as an "add on" proving excellence in your studies. You could either plan your professional orientation in line with your PhD-specialisation or present yourself more as a generalist - with the PhD proving that you are able to deal systematically and efficiently with a certain subject.
The "package": as a psychologist you will be expected to be a specialist in "human being and behaviour" and in certain methodological approaches - depending on the job. Try to get all kinds of information on working in the private sector and see it as an exciting challenge.You may ask me explicitely for further details, except for special positions in special labor markets.

Ilka von Braun a dit…

Ilka von Braun to Jeromy:
My general remarks apply to you as well - being a PhD- economist you could - depending on your specialisation and additional experience and qualifications - look for excellent jobs e.g. in private research institutions,in "chambres de commerce", in company headquarters.
As you may guess: your competencies profile should include your "personal competencies", e.g. in communication (even intercultural c.) complex problem solving,organisation, judgement, creativity,interest and concern reg. the "big economic subjects" etc. You will certainly find examples of relating experience in your academic and private life.
And: If you apply for a demanding job in the private sector, make it your first and best choice. But don´t expect a guarantee for a "big career" - it will be a long way.
Please feel free to ask me more questions. Good luck to you and the anonymes!

Anonyme a dit…

A Anonyme-psychologue:
J´espère que mon commentaire en anglais vous a été accessible - si non ou si vous avez d´autres questions j´essaierai de les commenter en francais.

Sara a dit…

Hello

My answer to "C" echoes the comments from Ilka - the publishing world has obvious parallels with your research in literature. However, career choice should really start with a reflection on what you have found most interesting and motivating during your research. If you enjoy writing and editing, this supports the choice of publishing. It may be that you prefer networking, speaking at conferences and engaging people when you talk about your research - these preferences suggest a more people focused role, such as PR.

If you are going to make a career change now, from academia to another sector, I'd also want to know what about academia doesn't appeal. These "filters" are an important part of job choice as well!

The public sector may also be of interest if the values of academic life are important to you. At the risk of over-simplifying, the commercial sector has a focus on generating money, the academic sector on teaching and generating knowledge and the public sector on serving society.

Your personal values are part of this choice.

This doesn't help with a simple suggestion of companies who might be interested in you - but it should help you weigh up which of the options you find will suit you in the long term.

All the best

Sara

Sara a dit…

Hello Jeremy

To answer your 2 points - can an academic economist be hired in the private sector & how should I market myself?

Of course you can now leave academia and enter the commercial world, but you need to market your PhD as relevant. Read company literature and see the personal qualities they look for (many have personal profiles of staff in addition to job information). Think about how your research experience has given you a chance to develop these. They might include creativity, initiative, analytical skills, team work. Once you have your list, reflect on your PhD and find stories and experiences that demonstrate you have these skills. Use the words that they use, in your CV. Talk about the value and impact of your research - what benefit will your ideas have?

To find companies, ask academics in your department about the organisations they have links with or where former students have gone. I"m not as familiar with France as the UK, but here there are far fewer academic posts than PhDs, so many leave and take up jobs. Hopefully some have kept in touch with their PhD supervisor!

You also need to think about how to translate your academic achievements into success in more general terms. Speaking at conferences is a very marketable skill and shows social confidence and ability to think on your feet as you handlt those questions - many non-academics are terrified about this! Writing papers shows you can deliver a final product in your research. Supervising students is about motivating and managing others.

I'd be pretty confident that you have the skills. The main issue is the vocabulary you use - use the company literature to give you the right words.

All the best

Sara

Sara a dit…

Hello anonymous psychologist!

Google translator gives me the general indication that you are interested in statistics about PhD employment in your field. I hope this is right!

Again, my expertise is UK based - the best two sites to look at are:

www.vitae.ac.uk/wdpd
which is an analysis of the destinations of UK PhDs over the last few years. (psychologist comes under biomedical science). There aren't individual stats for psychology on this site, but you should be able to pick up the trends.

www.bps.org.uk includes a careers section. Again there isn't much statistical information, but general advice and careers material.

I realise it is frustrating to find that this information isn't to hand when you are looking for career options. It may be that your university has to collect statistics on the destinations of its graduates. This is a government requirement in the UK and the information is held in each universities' careers service. It may be worth asking your local service if they track their graduates. If not, do you know someone at a UK university? If you ask very nicely, they might be willing to go and look in their uni files for you! A warning though - most FIRST destinations are into research positions in universities - even if someone leaves this after 3 months, it is the only information that the uni is required to collect.

I hope the general sites are of interest.

All the best

Sara

testiful a dit…

Bonjour,

avec un master en informatique et une thèse de sociologie, je cherche un job de community manager, animateur de communautés virtuelles.

Sur le sujet, les entreprises françaises sont souvent dépassées.

Quels entreprises contacter ?

cdlt

Evelyne Jardin a dit…

Bonsoir,
Thanks a lot Sara Shinton and Ilka Von Braun for your advices!

En réponse à Testiful, je vous conseille la lecture du magazine Actif, n°41 (avril 2010). En page 16, il y a un article sur le Community manager (CM pour les intimes). Les entreprises s'y mettent!

D'ailleurs, il y a quelques offres sur le site de l'Apec en ce moment.

Evelyne, animatrice du blog

Sherazad a dit…

Bonjour à toutes et à tous,

En ce moment, c'est le vide complet pour moi. Avec un doctorat en sciences du langage en main, j'ai envoyé plusieurs demandes d'emploi aux entreprises mais aucune réponse! HELP, quelqu'un aura-t-il des pistes concretes?
Merci

Sara a dit…

Hi Shezarad

I'm sorry you've had some disappointments so far. Without seeing you applications I can only give general advice, so my first suggestion is to show the applications you have made, with the job adverts you have applied for, to a critical friend. Perhaps your former PhD supervisor? They might be able to give you feedback with their "fresh eyes".

Have you contacted the companies for advice? Usually this is very general, but sometimes you will be able to convince someone of your commitment to the career and ask them what was missing from your application that you can take some action on. It may be simply a matter of "translating" your academic experience in the language of the employer. It could be that you were unlucky and will be encouraged to keep on trying.

My own experience was that it took about 6 months of applications to start being invited to interview - sorry if this is not the news you want to hear! I still don't know whether this was because I worked out over that time what my ideal career was, or whether my CV skills improved. In that time I showed my CV to as many people as I could and got some good advice.

Talking to employers is also sometimes possible before you put in the application. If there is a contact name and number, give them a call and explain to them what you can offer them; why having a PhD gives you an advantage and how enthusiastic you are about the job on offer. This way you are not just a faceless piece of paper when they are short-listing for interview.

If the career you are interested in is very competitive, you could look for shorter term positions (perhaps maternity cover?) to give you some experience. Again, early in my career I took a low status job to help change from an academic researcher (I was a post-doc in CHemistry) to a careers adviser. Although the work was quite poorly paid I was able to take on lots of additional responsibilities, meet the right people and give my career a boost.

The path to the right career can be more of a marathon than a sprint. Your first steps might be at a low level, but as long as you have an exit plan (don't stay in a poor status position more than a year unless the opportunities and learning warrant it) you should be able to combine your PhD with relevant experience to move on quickly.

Please persevere!

best wishes

Sara

PS - hope Google translator helps you read this!

Sherazad a dit…

Hi Sara,

Thank you for your response and your advices.My CV was supervised by many professionnals and I think that the whole of my skills appear on it. It's true I've never phoned back an employeer to get informed about my application, I should do it. For the moment, I'm a french trainer for adults but it's poorly bad. I'll very soon begin another "struggle" for a real job.
Kisses

Anonyme a dit…

Hello
I just finished a PhD in social sciences on multiculturalism after a “DESS” in sociology of organizations (fieldwork). I would like to find a position related to social ecology, like consulting, research engineering, in which I could use both my theoretical knowledge and my skills in field survey (and a legal background). I just finished my thesis and I am wondering where to start, what kind of structure to address for. I also wonder if the sector of social ecology (in a broad sense) employs profiles type social and political sciences.
Best regard
Nick

Anonyme a dit…

Bonjour,

je viens de soutenir avec succès ma thèse de doctorat en civilisation allemande (après un cursus en LCE allemand), et je suis aujourd'hui à la recherche d'un emploi. Vers quelles directions puis-je me tourner?
Ma thèse de doctorat traite de l'évolution de la mémoire de la Shoah en Allemagne et en France, en prenant comme point de repère les mémoriaux.

En vous remerciant par avance pour vos réponses.

Amicalement

Aude D.

Mbembo a dit…

Hello, I am student African of phd in letters, specialized in French-speaking literature and I would like to know if it is possible to postulate for the teaching French in English-speaking countries such Canada, Great Britain, Australia, etc. If yes, to whom to send the curriculum vitae.
thank you

Anonyme a dit…

Pour Aude,
Votre question est très large, mais tentons à 2 d'y répondre clairement :
- 1ère suggestion, rencontrer un correspondant ABG ou un conseiller professionnel dans votre université pour identifier des pistes de recherche d'emploi et discuter de votre projet avec quelqu'un qui a l'habitude des universitaires
- 2ème suggestion : vous inscrire et fréquenter l'APEC et Pôle emploi cadres (dans les grandes villes)
- 3ème suggestion : reprendre le déroulé de votre thèse et recenser les divers organismes que vous avez sollicités ou bien qui ont trait à votre sujet, vous verrez qu'apparaitront plusieurs établissements à qui proposer votre candidature en leur formulant une offre de service. Exemple, vous parlez des Mémoriaux, ne seraient-ils pas intéressés par votre expertise ?
Plus largement, des musées (expo permanente ou temporaires), des maisons d'édition, des collectivités locales avec leur histoire et leur patrimoine.
Il ne faut pas oublier les réseaux de docteurs : l'ANDès, le CJC, Viadéo et son forum sur les "docteur mais pas chercheur", les asso de doctorants docteurs de votre université ou d'autres.
Véronique Prudhomme et Gilles Beaume respectivement conseillers de docteurs en SHS à Lyon 2 et Rennes 2

Esmeralda a dit…

Hi,
I was a PhD student in Ireland for 4-5 years. My field is Economics and as many think, it should't be as difficult to find a job considering I speak English fluently. I am back in France though, and the academic job market is hermetically closed to me. To work as a lecturer in a French University, I have to have a State PhD or take exams in research institutes. I tried private structures, such as ecoles de commerce etc, but one needs a network to get in as my previous academic background in France was in Universities.
So in addition to my ecclectic educational profile, the lack of networks as I have been away for a long time, the impossibility to penetrate the academic market, there is the economic crisis. The impact the crisis has on my job search is that employers look for experience. They do of course find it as a lot of experienced individuals are jobless. I know this after asking to some employees who told me they hired a person who had experience on the exact type of job as described.
So I am brought to think that with all my skills acquired during my PhD studies in Ireland (publications, conference participations, teaching) I am unable to fit in the French labour market. Any suggestions on how to approach both the academic and private sectors in my case?
Thank you.

ROXANA a dit…

Bonjour,
Je vais soutenir une thèse en sciences du langage (branche sémiotique) et je vais partitr pour UK prochainement. Je voulais savoir quelle carrière je peux envisager à trouver dans les pays anglophones, sachant que je suis d'origine iranienne.

Anonyme a dit…

Bonjour à tous,
1. Pour ceux qui cherchent à partir à l'étranger, essayez de passer dans votre pôle-emploi régional pour cadre. Vous trouverez des conseils pour rédiger vos CV et lettres de motivation ainsi que les démarches à faire une fois là-bas.
2. Pour l'Angleterre et ceux qui veulent rester à l'Université essayez jobs.ac.uk
Pour ceux qui veulent travailler dans le privé, essayez totaljobs. C'est assez généraliste mais c'est un bon point de départ. Il y a aussi des conseils gratuits.
3. Pour l'Allemagne essayez Zeit.de.

Mentionné tout ce que vous avez fait: description des stages, rapport de stage, petit boulot, publis, conférences. Plus c'est complet, plus votre téléphone va sonner.

Bon courage dans votre recherche d'emploi

Anonyme a dit…

Bonjour,
je suis en préparation d'une thèse de Lettres, pourtant je ne sais toujours pas à quoi ce diplôme me servira dans une société qui privilégie les métiers d'autres domaines que les sciences humaines. Y aurait-il des organismes par exemple, qui travaillent pour promouvoir la filière des Lettres? Si oui, lesquels?
Bien à vous.

Anonyme a dit…

hello i'm a phd graduate in philosophy and i don't have a clue what type of company is interested in my profile ???

Please any ideas ???

Anonyme a dit…

Bonjour, je fais un doctorat de langues et littérature mention espagnol; j'aimerais savoir quel métier autre que professeur peut-on faire avec mon diplôme, je suis sur la branche de la linguistique. Merci!

Anonyme a dit…

Hello,

I am a French student doing a PhD in Performance Studies. I am based in London (since 4 years) as my topics require me to research English contemporary theatre, but I am doing my PhD with a French university France, in Paris. Although the thesis will be written in French, I intend to have a few English academics as part of the final jury, who, hopefully, will be able to advice me about where to go next and to help me with networking (providing the PhD is excellent...).
I also have extensive experience in teaching (with 4 years in university as a "TD" lecturer), speak very good English and have prestigious French (although not very famous abroad) diplomas including Ecole Normale Supérieur and Agrégation in Modern Litterature.
The thing is that I am also an artist - a performer and writer - and that I intend to lead a career in the arts (as an artist), but as long as it doesn't provide me with a proper living, I have to make sure that interesting career options, through academic or other areas, remain open. I tend to get a little bit bored with the academic word (the way it works in France at least) as I found it extremely theoritical and didactic and I am longing for a much more practice-based approach (the way they do it in the UK).
However, I am aware that to find a job in an English university is difficult, as I haven't been studying in an English institution and have only published a few scientific articles in English. However, I am keen on trying this option as well as trying other leads (through publishing, journalism, curating, or arts administration). I also have good experience in leading art projects, not only on an creative level but also through managing and producing.
Knowing I will hand over my PhD thesis in 6 months time, where should I start if I want to find an interesting, creative and stimulating job in the UK?

Thank you

Chloé

Noémie a dit…

Hello,
My name is Noémie. I defended my thesis (co-direction system between a French university and an Irish university) last December in English and Celtic Studies. My thesis was on Celtic religion, history and literature. I didn't get a job in a university in France (after teaching for 3 years at university...) and I'm going to Montréal next year (to get "fresh air"). I've been in touch with many professors of the four universities to try to get a part-time teaching position or to apply as a postdoctoral student, but got no positive answers.I actually don't know what to do next year there, and really would like to teach or undertake postdoctoral studies.any suggestions? any ideas? I feel a bit lost after the PhD!
Thanks for your answers.
Noémie

Evelyne Jardin a dit…

Bonjour,
voici une info sur la situation pas très reluisante de l'insertion des docteurs en "Humanities" aux Etats-Unis.
Dans ce rapport, il est dit: "Au niveau doctoral, préparant principalement à des carrières académiques elles mêmes sinistrées, il apparaît aussi que le taux d'abandon en cours de thèse y est particulièrement élevé avec seulement 19,6% des étudiants en sciences humaines et sociales qui obtiennent une thèse après huit années d'études. Tout cela reflète en creux le manque de "rentabilité" de ces formations pour les étudiants qui s'y consacrent." Source:
http://www.bulletins-electroniques.com/actualites/63264.htm
Evelyne, animatrice du blog

Sara a dit…

Dear Nick

Apologies for the delay in replying - technical issues at my end. I hope this reaches the forum!

Potential employers in social ecology will be across a broad range of sectors - from national governments and non-governmental organisations, to charities and local organisations, even commerical companies. It is difficult to pin down these diverse employer needs, so I would encourage you think about what you can offer and what you want to do.

Do you want to work with communities and change attitudes and social problems in a local, small scope but high impact way. This might be helping communities set up environmental projects which bring in income or improve their situations.

Do you want to work with (or "at") governments, trying to make them change policies and approaches to big issues like welfare, in order to bring about change?

Do you want to work in a commercial organisation as a kind of internal "conscience" supporting projects with funding. Or a charity?

If you want to use your social/political science background then you may be looking at working for an NGO or charity lobbying and working to bring about change ata policy level. Or perhaps in regional government conducting research which informs policy decisions. These would certainly be areas in which you could contribute.

My apporach would be to think about what CHANGE I want to bring about, then think about who has power or influence to make that chance, then to see what role I could fill. It might mean starting work on contracts supporting specific projects. You have the professional network in this field, so you should be able to discern between the different roles these organisations play and align yourself with the ones which are closest to your interests. Then think about what you can offer them and how you can contribute to their activities.

Use your network to identify people who can advise you. Think about who goes to conferences in your field and ask them for advise about where you could work and where to find information about vacancies. There will be website carrying jobs for different sectors (www.reliefweb.int or www.globalcharityjobs.co.uk) but I suspect the people you know in your field will point you to the best.

If consultancy appeals, you need to build some credibility and a reputation. Can you use your PhD studies in any way? Publish something in a professional, rather than academic, arena?

If you can clarify your ideas and work out what difference you want to make, I think the connection to employers will become clearer.

All the best

Sara

Sara a dit…

Hello Mbembo

Again - apologies for delay.

You don't state who you would like to teach French to - if it is general teaching of adults, you are looking at language schools or even on-line companies. If you were teaching English I'd suggest using TEFL (teaching English as a Foreign Language) resources - they offer training and then support you find work and accommodation. I'm not sure if there is a Frnech equivalent of TEFL? they would be the people to apply to if they can offer training and jobs.

If you are thinking about being a language assistant in a university, the vacancies for the UK may be found on www.jobs.ac.uk although I've just had a look and there weren't any at present. Contacting individual universities might be best.

If you want to teach in UK schools, you will need a qualification - you can achieve this whilst working. There is a British Council page on this http://www.britishcouncil.org/learning-graduate-teacher-programme.htm

For Australia and Canada there may be similar coordinated programmes to TEFL - their French embassies might be able to help direct you to the most relevant starting points.

best wishes

Sara

Sara a dit…

Dear Esmerelda

I'm sorry to hear about your problems breaking back in the French job market. I can't comment about this as the situation is (I hope!) less discriminatory in the UK.

It seems that the "currency" of your Irish PhD doesn't have the same value to French univesrities, so I wonder if you could add to it by publishing some work from your thesis in a French journal? I'm not sure if you wil have anything that you can write up in this way, but most researchers have work that they haven't found the time to write up. Another option might be to translate a paper into French and circulate this to people in your field to raise you profile.

Can you find come funding (from a charity or funding council - or perhaps a women's development organisation) to attend a conference in your field to build your network locally.

Regarding employers, the usual rules apply. What can you offer them? Do you know what roles they have available and what skills they need to help their organisations succeed? It is difficult to compete with people with experience, so would you consider a lower paid job for a fixed period (giev yourself a year?) to gain experience. try to talk to employers rather than emailing or writing and try to convince them that you will give them huge value for money. Hopefully at the end of a year they won't let you go!

Do your Irish academic colleagues know any French academics they can recommend you to for advice?

Short term projects may not appeal to more experienced people so this might be another avenue - could you cover a maternity leave or work on a project.

Sadly, it is about perseverence. I graduated during a recession so can only sympathise. In the long term your international experience will enhance your career.

best wishes

Sara

Anonyme a dit…

Thanks, Sara, for these advices
Nick

Anonyme a dit…

Bonjour,

Avec un doctorat en anthropologie, y-a-t-il tout de même des possibilités d'envisager autre chose que l'intégration du milieu universitaire ou institutionnel (cnrs ou ird) en France ou en Europe ? Ces docteurs semblent moins recherchés que d'autres en sciences humaines. Avez-vous des données sur cette discipline et pourriez-vous nous donner des conseils (qui contacter ? Comment se présenter ? ...) ? Par avance, merci

Anonyme a dit…

Bonjour a tous,

En tant que doctorant de Lettres,litterature et langues en France, et en tant que latinoamericaine, je voudrais savoir quelles sont les avantages d'avoir ce profil en France (ou en europe) et quelles sont les avantages en Amerique latine.
Cordialement,
Diana

Cécile a dit…

Hello,

I know the forum is about PhD but I will be graduated soon in a Master of Urban Planning and I am looking for a urban planner job or any work experience in my course in UK; I already tried to get one last year (our teacher asked us to get a 3 month work experience) and I had only negative answers from organizations where I applied. Would you have a piece of advice to improve my job research ? Where should I start ?

Best,

C.

Anonyme a dit…

j'ai un docorat en science po ma thése s'est interessé au phenomene du reseau teroriste dans mon pays la these à sortis dans un livre vedu en totalité tous me dis que j'ai fait un travil sfabuleu mais lorsque je postule dans les facuté mon dossier est toujours negligé il n'est méme selectioné pour l'entretien une stuation que je je ne paut pas comprandre

Anonyme a dit…

Bonjour. Je suis doctorant en Géographie urbaine. Bientôt c'est la fin de la thèse, je ne veux finalement pas évoluer dans le monde universitaire. Alors question: quels sont les métiers auxquels je peux postuler et comment m'y prendre? Merci.

Evelyne Jardin a dit…

Pour répondre à "Anonyme" du 16 juin sur les débouchés en Sciences Politiques, je signale ce salon http://www.abg.asso.fr/display.php?id=2590 et aussi l'édition 2010 http://ecoledoctorale.sciencespobordeaux.fr/article.php3?id_article=513
Et si je peux me permettre, la non maîtrise de l'orthographe me semble un réel handicap.
L'animatrice du blog

Evelyne Jardin a dit…

Pour répondre à "Anonyme" du 15 juin, voici qqs parcours d'anthropologues hors du milieu académique
http://www.abg.asso.fr/display.php?id=3195
http://www.abg.asso.fr/display.php?id=948
et la trace de ces rencontres
http://www.abg.asso.fr/display.php?id=2631
L'animatrice du blog

Evelyne Jardin a dit…

Pour répondre à "Anonyme" du 16 juin, il y a qqs années, je suis allée à un séminaire sur l'insertion des géographes organisé par des doctorants du CRIA (Paris 1). Voici des traces sur le site de l'ABG http://www.abg.asso.fr/display.php?id=2680. Peut-être trouverez-vous qqs pistes. Et voici des témoignages de docteurs réunis sur ce même blog http://docteursetcompagnie.blogspot.com/2008/10/docteurs-en-gographie.html
Dr Evelyne Jardin, animatrice du blog

Anonyme a dit…

J'apporte bien volontiers le soutien de l'Association nationale des DRH à votre intiative, vivante et fort utile. Sans pouvoir bien entendu m'engager au nom de tous les "recruteurs", dont les besoins sont fort divers, surtout dans la période, je veux souligner que l'enjeu actuel est celui des compétences, de toutes natures et des "talents". Les docteurs ont évidemment des atouts fort à faire valoir dans toutes les disciplines, surtout auprès des grandes entreprises, qui recherchent des profils pointus, ce que les formations académiques de très haut niveau garantissent. Cela vaut bien sûr pour les lettres et sciences humaines, notamment dans les filières professionnelles qui relèvent d'abord du relationnel (RH, communication, mais aussi le secteurcommercial).
Bref, même si la période est assez compliquée sur le plan économique, les titulaires de ces diplômes prestigieux ne sont pas, loin s'en faut, les plus désarmés pour aller de l'avant.

Bien cordialement

Michel YAHIEL
Président de l'ANDRH

Anonyme a dit…

Ayant un doctorat en études de genre avec mention "littérature comparée" et parlant 4 langues à bon niveau, est-ce que je peux envisager de travailler chez une ONG ou chez une organisation comme l'UNESCO ?

Anonyme a dit…

Si nous lisons bien le blog, finalement ce qui peut se lire au travers des questions particulières de chacun c'est un vrai souci de confiance pour se projeter dans un nouvel emploi. Docteur que vous êtes, si vous n'êtes pas ou ne voulez pas être recruté dans l'enseignement sup et le recherche, vous n'osez pas penser que vos compétences sont transférable dans un nouvel univers professionnel et vous n'imaginez pas que votre expertise est garante de votre qualité pour en développer une nouvelle ou servir un secteur dans lequel elle est attendue.
Exemple anonyme qui est docteur en géo urbaine a une offre de service à construire pour les collectivités locales, les agences d'urbanisme, les CAUE, les sociétés de transport....
Anonyme qui possède 4 langues peut penser être utile dans tout projet à dimension internationale, pour développer une région ou une entreprise.
C'est à vous bien souvent de faire connaître vos ENVIES d'emploi, de structurer et expliciter vos choix vos projets professionnels.
PLus assez de temps ce soir, je reviens demain
Velocipède Lyon 2

Ilka von Braun a dit…

N´étant pas francophone je tiens à appuyer- en langue francaise comme mes précommenteurs - l´encouragement et meme l´optimisme au point de vue du marché d´emploi en Allemagne. Les fonctions HR, Relations publiques , vente et marketing des entreprises/multinationales sont en général ouvertes pour les „talents“ de disciplines diverses - comme e.g. ceux avec des études en sciences sociales et lettres – selon leurs compétences personnelles et le profil du poste.
Des compétences interculturelles - dont vous disposer en général - sont très avantageuses et devraient etre expliquées dans votre CV – la maitrise de l´Allemand étant indispensable.
Et: En Allemagne les „docteurs“ ne sont pas regardés comme ayant une destination générique pour la recherche. La thèse de doctorat peut plutot etre valorisée comme preuve de perséverance, de discipline et du talent de rechercher, pénétrer et présenter systématiquement un sujet complexe.
Cela vaut aussi pour les philosophes et anthropologues – qui n´ont pas encore recu de réponse dans ce blog – réflichissez bien aux riches compétences ( e.g. „interculturelles“) que vous avez aquis en pénétrant dans „l´étranger“ de cultures et tradititions diverses tout en prenant compte du défi de nos temps modernes.
Pour l´anthropologue: Si vous vous intéresser pour un emploi dans des organisations qui procurent de l´aide en pays en voie de développement vous trouverez des informations resp. sur le site Wikipedia „Portail: Humanitaire et développement“.
Ce qui concerne l´approche pragmatique vous trouverez une multitude de conseils trés précieux et professionnels dans le blog – lisez les bien et élaborez votre stratégie là-dessus.Encore: bon courage et beaucoup de perséverance.

Evelyne Jardin a dit…

Merci pour tous ces (très) bons conseils. J'ai envie d'ajouter qu'il y a DEJA des Masters/des docteurs hors du milieu académique. J'en suis, et des enquêtes d'insertion prouvent que je ne suis pas la seule. Voir cette info issue du blog du Prof. Pierre Dubois: http://histoireuniversites.blog.lemonde.fr/2010/06/17/valerie-le-phenix/
Chers docteurs sortis du milieu académique.... on aimerait entendre votre voix!!!
L'animatrice du blog

Anonyme a dit…

Bonjour,

J'ai écrit un post le 14 juin, mais je crois qu'il a dû être négligé, car je n'ai pas vu de réponse (?)...ou alors je suis trop impatiente, auquel cas je m'en excuse.

Agrégée et ancienne élève de l'Ecole Normale Supérieure, je vais bientôt soutenir une thèse en études théâtrales sur le théâtre expérimental contemporain en Angleterre et en France et étant également artiste (auteur, metteuse en scène et comédienne), je voulais savoir quels étaient les débouchés éventuels que je pouvais envisager en Angleterre, tant dans le milieu universitaire que dans d'autres secteurs (édition, journalisme spécialisé, programation, etc...)?

En vous remerciant

Chloé

Evelyne Jardin a dit…

Chloé,
Vous n'avez pas reçu de réponse à votre question, je vais la relayer à Mme Shinton car le forum est désormais terminé.
Cordialement,
Evelyne, l'animatrice du blog

Anonyme a dit…

Dear Chloe

Sorry you have had to wait for this - but your impatience is a good sign because you are going to have to lobby for an interesting position.

You are right to say that UK academic jobs are fiercely competitive and are likely to become more so as public funding is stretched in the UK. So, your idea of a portfolio career is a good one. You are very open about possible jobs you are interested in which gives more possibilities, but means that I'll have to be quite general in my response.

For many arts based jobs there are many more candidates than jobs. This means that there is a culture of unpaid work experience which is rather depressing, but difficult to overcome. My sister worked in this field and did many months unpaid work before securing a job as the administer of a film festival. Perhaps you can combine this with your studies in the UK - if you are based in London there should be many events which could use someone to help with general admin and "gopher" duties. (Gopher is Uk slang for someone who will "go for this and go for that"!). If you do this, you must take the chance to talk to everyone you can, have a business card to hand over with a brief description of your skills/ideal job as well as full contact details.

If you do start to do this, also document your experience on a LinkedIn or personal website. On LinkedIn people can recommend you, so start by getting people to write brief references focusing on relevant, positive contributions you have made. If your likely job is administrative, it may be worth ensuring your skills are strong in this area - can you do a free office admin course at a local college? Sounds like a backward step but these kinds of qualifications may help. Ask people in your network whether they are necessary.

if you are going to start writing, then you must have a portfolio of articles. You can start with blogging or submitting articles to websites. Initially, don't expect to get paid for these. You might be able to negotiate other perks though - perhaps once you have started to demonstrate that your work is engaging and interesting, you might persuade magazines or websites to send you along to events (getting free tickets or better access) in return for articles. Again, it will all be about networking and getting yourself known. Again, you must have a website or social networking profile which easily links to all your work.

Also use your university status - this will open doors and might be a way to get to talk to more unusual people. Even if it is a tenuous link to your research, it might impress the egos in this field to think someone is going to write something scholarly about their work! Again, a blog or more informal piece than a peer-reviewed article could be the output.

Another idea struck me - perhaps local venues which you feel could benefit from an "arts presence" could be approached and you could offer to liaise with artists/performers and manage this? Think of it in terms of proving your worth. Local cafes might be able to show pictures or have evening events. I'm based in rural Scotland and a local cafe here has just started doing this - this is quite radical for our region, but very routine in big cities. Why not think creatively about doing something different that might build your reputation? Local festivals? Something in a school? Give yourself 6 months because after this you need to have enough evidence of being worth a salary to be paid one!

Hope these give you some ideas. It sounds as though you are doing the right things - use your network and be flexible in agreeing to things as long as they strengthen your CV and your network.

Perseverance is your greatest weapon!

Good luck

Sara